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  Awake! March 22, 1993

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone happen to have a copy of the awake for march 22, 1993. .

  i'm especially interested in pages 3 and 4 of an article about false teachers..

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  joey jojo

  On page 4 of this issue, the org makes this statement to try to excuse themselves of multiple failures of prophecy:

  'Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' Never did they say, `These are the words of Jehovah.'

  And yet, the blurb directly underneath it says this:

  'Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creators promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away. '

  If this isn't putting words in the mouth of God, and making false promises in his name, then what is?
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  How about this from a recent wt.

  by New day in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=e&prefer=lang&docid=2020600.

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  joey jojo

  Lots of ellipses in that quote.
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  Post your experiance with JWs who did not save for retirement and had to work or live off off SS till death

  by wolverines in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  but one i remember was a full on dyed in the wool believer how was a farmer.

  around 1975 he sold his farm moved his family to a very rural place and waited for the end to come.

  he ended up working for his brother in law hanging drywall.

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  joey jojo

  Jws like to jump between the old and new testaments, to cherry pick whatever thought they are trying to justify at that moment. Proverbs 13:22 is a scripture I haven't heard quoted much though. It explicitly defines a good person as someone that leaves wealth to their grandchildren.

  This one, short scripture actually contains a lot of wisdom if followed. It encourages someone to think long term about other people's benefit and promotes a sense of responsibility towards money and wealth.

  Contrast this with the ex missionary / pioneer elder I knew that passed away recently in his 90s. When I gave my condolences, his daughter told me, almost proudly, that her father had nothing and died poor. It wasn't the time or place to tell her that he died pooe because he expected the end to be here decades ago and he didn't save to help his children, but I was thinking it.
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  Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

  with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

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  joey jojo

  Morph,

  Military and police constantly drill the use of firearms. There's a good reason for that.

  Simply owning a gun may make you feel safer, but you may not be any safer unless you regularly train under various scenarios.
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  Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

  with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

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  joey jojo

  Rub, the topic of gun ownership keeps popping up here.

  My personal opinion is that buying a gun and believing that you are safe is lazy and delusional, particularly if you don't educate yourself by taking regular courses in the use of guns, especially in high pressure situations.

  I'm not anti gun, but the thought that people can conceal carry without ongoing training is dangerous for everyone. In a real life scenario, you have half a chance of blowing your own arse off before you stop any crime.
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  What the Heck are they talking about in todays meeting 7-19-20 Wife in full on cult mode

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so what the heck are they brainwashing today in the meeting or what ever.

  she is in full on cult mode talking about the end of the world.

  she asked me to listen to a couple of talks and i respectfully declined.

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  joey jojo

  Maybe its just coincidence, but the handful of dubs I follow on social media have been really quiet over the last few weeks. Usually, I would expect to see a few posts every week at least, but nothing recently.
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  Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

  with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

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  joey jojo

  thx GH
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  Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

  with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

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  joey jojo

  Genuine question ; are gun owners in the US required to participate in ongoing gun training?
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  Quit Quietly now more than ever

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

  - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

  make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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  joey jojo

  gone for good:

  "That brutality worked well for 2000 years but now, thanks to satans' wicked, evil governments - we have universal human rights which relegate religious belief and practice 100% to the voluntary control of the individual in the hope that religion might finally become a comfort and solace during lifes' tumult, and no longer be the blunt instrument of vicious cult enforcement."

  That puts it very nicely.
  
  
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  $77 Million sent OS from Australia

  by why144000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  poor watchtower in australia, they made a loss of $1,537,325 in 2019 according to their filings with the government.

  they obviously can't participate in the national redress scheme as they don't have the funds.

  only problem is that they have sent over $77,000,000 of donations from australian publishers to overseas branches in the past 4 years.

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  joey jojo

  https://acncpubfilesprodstorage.blob.core.windows.net/public/77f70f2a-39af-e811-a963-000d3ad244fd-153f736b-a54f-4e99-b1c0-fa9292726c2a-Financial%20Report-6940753c-9b1b-ea11-a811-000d3ad1cc03-2019_WTA_Annual_Report.pdf

  Income:

  Grants and donations made for use in Australia:	$19,566,090.00
  Grants and donations made for use outside Australia:	$1,572,431.00

  But then this:

  Expenses : Donations and Overseas Aid $21,138,521 .

  If I am reading this right, in the 2019 financial year, they received $19 mill AUD in donations to be used in Australia but proceeded to donate $21,138,521 AUD overseas, presumably to HQ?